catchall emet-selch

[skyagain]

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[ktiseos]

...but it did not seem real, at the least.

[small mercies... the way the bodies glitched away, at least, didn't look like they truly died.

he opens his mouth to ask more about the destruction, the fire, but the stardust isn't letting them off that easy. cloud gets a memory in turn, while their brains are apparently on the subject of ancients.]

[skyagain]

No, it wasn't.

[ that's about all he gets to say about how reality is often a hologram being hijacked by aliens (don't ask) before he gets his own turn on the memory share machine. considering what the last meeting like this he witnessed was, this one is a lot... more bearable.

he can't help but wonder how that emet-selch becomes the other one, but that's not new. at the end of it he shakes his head. the feeling of experiencing someone else's memories... still sucks. ]

... Return to the star, huh? At home, everyone returns to the lifestream.

[ it's not so different a concept. all ff the same??? ]

[ktiseos]

[REALITY IS WHAT??? HI? anyway.]

...I am given to understand it is called the lifestream, in the future, but in my time the flow of aether throughout our home is known as the Underworld, when not referred to as returning to the star itself.

[skyagain]

[ don't question it. anyway oh he looks shocked at that ]

... It's the flow of mako under the surface of the planet at home. [ :o ] First time I've heard anywhere else have something similar.

[ktiseos]

From the sounds of that presentation-- it sounds as if this 'mako' of yours may be similar to our aether, as well.

[skyagain]

Source of all life and magic? Can't say I expected that to be something I had in common with anyone out there.

[ all final fantasies... the same? he's looking warily around in case there is more glitter but sees none... yet... ]

[ktiseos]

As a matter of fact, yes. Aether is what our star relies upon, what composes us and everything we create.

[FINALLY, someone is familiar with something like it. all ffs are the SAME.]

[skyagain]

Right. Planet doesn't go through people to create stuff, but it's the same thing.

[ he is also like thank GOD i don't have to explain this concept ]

Every time I've talked about it here people have looked at me like I'm nuts.

[ktiseos]

It has been much the same for me-- although the fact that we manipulate aether to such a degree appears to be a sticking point, as well. I've been asked more than once if my people are gods.

[skyagain]

I can't say anyone back home is that good at manipulating mako, but... [ he shrugs ] You saw the presentation. Might be you're a lot closer to those. Wouldn't call any of them gods, either.

[ktiseos]

That may well be so. Evidently, in future times, we are also known as Ancients to those aware of our existence.

[skyagain]

... Huh. Maybe our worlds are connected somehow. Or ... maybe it's just a coincidence.

[ but apparently they have been bonding too much without consequences so here's another memory (until 40:37 but you can ignore the bits where cloud isn't there because obviously he cannot see that)! wow! i realized sephiroth does not have an interrupted cutscene to ruin my life so i guess this is the evil explanatory lore from a cute girl! ]

[ktiseos]

[him again-- this one is more disorienting, with the noise, the explanation for it. it sounds, from the girl's explanation, almost as if something wrong with the underworld itself, or at least cloud's version of it. souls disrupted, the natural order shaken in some way.]

...What in the world did he mean to do?

[skyagain]

[ well, first of all, ow, his constant headaches. they are not getting better with these memories. but after a while of looking off into space, wincing, he answers; ]

... Changing fate. Those things you saw flying around... They're called the arbiters of fate. They show up when someone tries to alter destiny. But... him even being around is changing things, we think.

Only way to stop him was to follow. Change the future ourselves.

[ktiseos]

And do you recall what happened when you did? Or is this as far as your recollection goes?

[skyagain]

[ ... ]

We only just beat him. Got out the other side. He's still around, but... those things weren't anymore. So we're on his trail. Whatever happens from now on, destiny has no say in it.

[ktiseos]

Truly an unknown, then.

[he maybe envies that, in a way.

and the memory cloud gets again in return will likely explain why. (up to 1:41:56 from the timestamp i am so sorry it's so fucking long.)]

[skyagain]

[ i misread that as 1:47 and just accepted it and kept going CHRIST anyway, cloud's ... mostly confused and unimpressed by the end; ]

... That's what you were telling me, right? About that guy deciding to erase your memories for a fair trial to decide the fate of... what, everything?

[ THAT SEEMS LIKE A LOT JUST BECAUSE SOME RACES WERE BUMMED OUT!! ]

[ktiseos]

...of everything, yes. She and her sisters mean not only to eliminate mankind, but life itself.

[IT TRULY IS A LOT. meteion joker moments.]

[skyagain]

That's insane. Why's he even entertaining that thought?

[ hermes is harley quinn... ]

[ktiseos]

I wish I knew. He has expressed his dissatisfaction with our ways of life, but for it to lead to this is unthinkable.

[skyagain]

There's dissatisfaction, and there's accepting the end of all things.

[ktiseos]

Of all other worlds, as well, not even only ours. I cannot understand why he would come to such a conclusion, when she could have been stopped.

[skyagain]

It's not just that. If he wanted to change the way things were so bad, why erase your memories? Why not actually try to work on changing things? It doesn't make sense.

[ not that cloud has the whole picture but he has a bias against people who go "hm this sucks lets just dESTROY IT ALL" ]

[ktiseos]

No, it does not! And yet he acts as if he has the higher philosophical standpoint--

[he grumbles, reaching up to rub at his face.]

If I remember this I will move to have him immediately removed from his position.